From a forum on the Nouvel Observateur's website
freddyns - Aix en Provence - 16.03.06 23:28
France: backward country...
I watch the debate on France 2 and I feel as if I'm hallucinating over politicians' lack of a grounding in the real world.
We have four years of unemployment compensation, according to Mme Aubry....I'd like to have my four years!
They talk about the professionally unemployed, I'd like to be one, but at 400 euros a month, where's the professional part?
Does a politician know what you can do with 400 euros?
If for some reason a manager finds himself unemployed, his chances of getting another job at 49 are very slim.
After the age of 36 in France, you're too old!
What do you do? Kill yourself? Leave France? Wait for pre-retirement?
At 49, I consider myself excluded from society.
teudrick - Pau - 07.02.06 15:09
I heard the MEDEF [the employers' group] on the radio this morning and I can't resist throwing out a little note onto the web.
The ANPE [French government unemployment office] has become a temp agency. We have entered the era of cyclical employment. It looks as if we will have to get used to a perpetual cycle of employment and unemployment for the greater glory of more and more arrogant bosses who are only concerned with "cutting costs" (translation: "profit").
ANPE: a reservoir of cheap labor, of always-available human merchandise, which should, according to the MEDEF, think it's lucky to be convoked from time to time for a discount job.
Government: prison guards in the service of the big bosses (the prisoners, that's us). Thanks Villepin, thanks MEDEF. How fun life is with you.
citoyenelecteur - bordeaux - 17.03.06 12:37
How many false debates generated by these politicians completely disconnected from democracy and from our country. The CPE is the latest example!
All employees suffer from a recurring sickness: unemployment.
What is the answer? Creation of a CNE and a CPE.
One more toxic smokescreen!
Who are these reforms destined for? Simply the lobby of big bosses (who claim a number for their side that is much higher than reality!)
And even they are acting fussy because they're still stuffed from their previous gifts.
A company recruits when the economy is growing, when the demand for consumable goods grows...
But no! Above all nothing will be done to create the conditions for economic development (the good joke is to hide behind the difficulties of globalization!)
We can't reduce the government's way of life!
We aren't going to make banks become economically active by giving loans to entrepreneurs.
We aren't going to give new loans to allow people to buy property.
It's so much easier to get rich sleeping, by firing people, and they have too much money, the banks buy real estate in key economic areas to the detriment of real entrepreneurs and small businessmen!
We don't tax insurance companies that do the opposite of what they promise in ads on the public disinformation channels!
We don't tax the oil companies that pollute our beaches and our environment! (but which give us a very highly taxed gasoline!)
No, it's much better to go after welfare cheats....
It's much better to create a CPE that will not make anyone hire more people (that is supposed to be the goal, right?) because businesses aren't hiring.
It's much better to replace the old CDI [permanent employment contracts] with CNE and CPE, and make things worse for the employees who are already suffering.
Shamelessly, afterwards we declare that the CNE is a success even though no new jobs have been created, even though the number of CNE created is equal to the number of CDIs lost.
I see around me young people covered with diplomas who begin their professional life with CDDs [short-term employment contracts] in large French companies before getting to a normal CDI.
Well, in the future, they'll begin their professional life with a CDD and then a CPE. The great innovation!
...During this time, our children are in the street confronted with groups of vandals...and the riot police (who get some stones thrown at them-- but that's their job, right? and they are so well paid)
France is weighed down with lead, families are in unbearable stress (but prices have scarcely gone up, right?), our young entrepreneurs go abroad (where there is growth), and we still have at the Elysée Palace [where President Chirac lives] the same well-protected guardian behind his walls.
Tomorrow we'll see!
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From Forums on the website of L'Express
Auteur : marco
Date d'envoi : 16/03/2006
Face to face with the hardliners for the CPE who are deaf to everything else, I try in vain to explain that employment will only come when we stop strangling businesses with so many taxes and forced contributions. Most intelligent countries have understood this. The essential thing for a boss is not to fire, but to hire. And to hire, you have to be able to have the means.
And to have the means, you can't be in a desperate struggle 365 days a year.
Go explain that to the politicians, not one of whom knows what it is to work, not one of whom understands business and its needs.
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Auteur : Watt
Date d'envoi : 15/03/2006
At the same time, if we elect these guys, it's so they can do their job afterwards. If they have to ask everyone's advice all the time, they'd never do anything. Besides, this has been discussed for a long time...For once someone actually did something. Also, stop crying wolf before even having seen its tail. The CPE hasn't even started to be applied and people are screaming about a scandal. Have you tried it so that you know? Also, all the people who aren't smashing windows and stopping students from working, maybe that's because they're ready to try it. It's not just a handful of people (there are 60 million people in France, do the math about the demonstrators) who are going to decide for the majority, especially since they haven't been elected with universal suffrage! Do something productive instead.
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Auteur : cathaline
Date d'envoi : 16/03/2006
And the 35-hour week, what a marvel! Did that create any jobs? Well I don't know about them!
Give it a chance for heaven's sake!
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Auteur : rodrigue
Date d'envoi : 16/03/2006
For sure, France is a country of charity cases [assistés], 35 hours of work a week, the shame! and to see it encouraged by the left looking for voters, young people are naive to fall into the trap, perhaps they imagine that at the end of their studies they'll find the job and salary they hope for, dream on! there is less and less work, and it's not getting better, the bosses are packing their suitcases, and there's a reason for that!
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Auteur : 5291
Date d'envoi : 15/03/2006
To all young people.
No CPE, then what, you think "work" is going to come looking for you? Why not enter the world of work right away, which will allow you to make useful professional acquaintances and take your place quickly?
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